Also, if you think this is going to destroy GW, check out their profit margins in their annual business reports. Recasting gives these filthy companies a taste of their own medicine. This subreddit is for anything and everything related to Warhammer 40k. They tried to grow way too fast and their main game had waaay to many units and thus huge costs to cover it. All that artistic work, ranging from concept, development, sculpting, marketing or quality control, has a price. is it going to cause the game to completely vanish if the company were to shut down ? Virginia Restless, Miniature Painter & Cat Dad. 20+ years of Warhammer and I only found out about recasts a few months ago. But Netflix absorbed a lot of people, including the extremely low population of pirates, who just wanted a reasonable price for what they wanted. As a result, everyone is losing I, the Chinese, Games Workshop. She has seen and killed so many enemies, that The War has turned into The Game for her. Adding on to what Shane Rozzell have said and more direct. Their miniatures are good-quality. Let explain with the simple aim of making you understand it the true depth of your act. You stole the rights to that model. Is it okay to create my own miniatures if they are not a product that Games Workshop creates or has any copyrights on? Ive never bought a re-cast and never will. The main attraction of 40k is the miniatures, but there are also many video games, board games, books, ect. Squats went 20 years ago because no one was buying them. How do you spot a recast on the table top? All products are of the highest quality and delivered in a reliable package. We cant do anything but have thought experiments because unlike other companies, GW wont discuss the affects of recasting and no one has published any kind of reasonable peer reviewed study. If I had to choose between paying my electricity bill or having a dread saurian , its crystal clear. Warhammer 40,000: Battlesector is a fast-paced turn-based strategy game set in the grimdark universe of the 41st Millennium. I have about 400 original models and tons of scenery stuff etc so ive spent a fortune. We dont collect any taxes or fees on your behalf, so you may pay the customs fees according to the law of your country while collecting the package. @Greg smith : Everyone before me has already said what is correct. No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Provide CPEUs. We pay so that the company we like so much is able to surpriseus again in the future with yet another piece to continue enjoying our hobby. Youre not automatically entitled to them. Manage Settings The 9th Edition of 40k is going to be open and crowd sourced by the players, for the players, for the betterment of the game instead of lining GWs pockets. This message was edited 1 time. 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Youre obviously not using a good recaster, also you havent mentioned the cheap cost of resin and how much profit is made on resin models. Not because GW has a better product, but because GW will sue the crap out of anyone who makes a model that looks similar to a GW model. CMR Products Inc. is a family-run Model Railroad Hobby Store. You can call people that buy recasts thieves I hope you enjoy your elitist hobby with the few people that can afford to play it. So what Jag is saying is if something is more expensive than he wants to pay, he is justified in stealing it. @Greg. There wouldnt BE re-castes is the prices were reasonable in the first place. It leaked that it costs Games Workshop about $5-$7 per a box of Marine Tac squad. Exam Reauthorization. Discussions, strategies, stories, crude cave-drawings, and more for Medieval 2, Empire, Shogun 2, Rome 2, Attila, Thrones of Britannia . Rackham died because they didnt know how to run a business. Usually, double mold lines. FWs resin is also crap and brittle, not sure what your point is there. These artists may not be local, but they are the ones putting all of their time and effort into bringing you these wonderful creations, only to be outdone by a random recaster. How can anyone claim the second company is not greedy, and yes the second company gets targeted by pirates and the first doesnt. New & Exclusive Painting & Modelling Boxed Games Gifts Warhammer Community. Judge yourselves. Nice article, only preaching to converted. (Especially on things where it's hard to get paint in every nook and cranny, or vehicles where there won't be paint applied to the inside, like most tanks.). Get ad-free access to our hobby videos, a monthly crate of miniatures, and support some of the best creators out there for as little as$6 a month on Patreon! Instead of looking into the business that are in the climate (and possibly are the reason for the climate being the way it is) we try to cancel culture those in the hobby. Anyone wanting 5.11 items embroidered, please contact us at orders@cdcrclothing.com . I now rely on trade forums to find slightly reasonably priced models. These miniatures are supplied unpainted and require assembly. Become Credentialed. I mean even though its hella shady its much easier to just buy a cheaper version of the model even if its a knockoff. Re-rolls are applied before modifiers (if any). But theyre not paying hundreds of thousands of pounds for a plastic mould. Available to Order. Like any economic entity, they need to obey the law of supply and demand ACROSS their customer base. Unconditionally passionate about our hobby, Norberto lvarez has been in love with figures and static modeling since he was 11 years old. The resin used is crap, brittle, with a lot of detail being lost and probably it is even toxic. Seriously, if you received the package and looked at it carefully, you would understand what we are talking about. It is the same, in my opinion, as downloading movies and music that you havent paid for the right to see. Spikey Bits is a registered trademark of Purple Elephants. Clade Vanus Infocyte Assassin $ 18.90 New! Otherwise leave that unchecked. Mainly because it is ILLEGAL. Continue browsing in r/totalwar. e.g. Hubbell Power Systems is a proud member of the Hubbell family. Recasters are selling multitudes of more models than the actual creator. A lot of resin has to be removed, rectified and even replaced with putty. ), Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar. Its about supporting companies that support your interests by creating models and figures you enjoy. Man, either you are some kid, troll or just an idiot with no capacity to think logically. Once properly modeled, assembled, and painted- it can be harder to tell. But there is a thing Id wish to point out, its the Chinese stigmatisation I am french living in China for about ten years now, and Chinese bashing is just a constant thing I hear from most of westerners and is absolutely not right either. Regular price: $1,500.00. Warhammer 40,000 | Games Workshop Webstore Start here - 9 Start Collecting! You stole the right to use that miniature in your games, to paint it and to present it to your friends IRL or on social media. This had to be done because it was nearly impossible to identify many of the pieces that came attached to large blobs of resin. It's hard for me to take issue with recasters. Imo it tells me that they severely overprice their products for maximum GP. Even so, this work is not enough to come even close to the original. the engi's crank gun works differently to other skills. After that no surprise if some brands get copied in the first place, that kind of behavior and answer has no place in a world where international trades are a thing. There are precedents in Russia where local manufacturers took re casters to court and won damages, so it isnt an issue of legal vacuum in those countries, its inability or non willingness to pursue action. There are so many classic wfb models Id love to buy, but the second hand market is just crazy since aos happened and some models are just near impossible to find, even if you have the money. will they invest in all the new technology? Warhammer 40,000 Recruit Edition (Anglais) 40 . Maybe it will work for them but I think they are pushing away many potential newcomers to the hobby which is the future. Obviously, as you will see now, the original copy hasvery good quality in every detail. Its inevitable anyways in the next 5 years with 3D printing. The CDR is a rifle designed on the same principles as the original WWSD and the WWSD2020, but with an eye towards budget and parts availability. Each mortal wound inflicted on a unit causes one model in the unit to lose one wound. Youre a thief. why is it that if I spend 70 on a primarch from forgeworld, I have to send at least 3 or 4 of those parts back to be exchanged because of mould slips or just general terrible casting and I will likely have to return one of the replacements they send me too. Now lets say in this situation I have a friend who plays WH and hes a recaster, and he can get me that same army for $50. Blaming the pirates did not work for the music or film industries, it will not work here either. Smell it. When Games Workshop uses ONLY domestic materials and employees, thats when Ill stop augmenting my official purchases with personal recasts. New JOYTOY Black Templars Sword Brethren Action Figures Hit Pre-Order! That is the price of any original model. Totally agree with you, its morons like them who are putting a nail in the coffin of our hobby, I bought a recast by mistake off eBay, I thought I was buying a genuine Pegaso figure, when it arrived I knew instantly of the mistake Id made, everything that is bad in a casting was plain to see, the main thing being it should have been cast in white metal and was instead a poor resin cast instead, thankfully eBay took action and swiftly booted this pirate off. people who dont play a game ultimately kill the game/hobby. See yourself for historical games, for the Warlord Games company. No it is killing the cinema. This is no reason to price them with a disparity of 15-20 thats just a poor outlook. Whats the actual law being broken when purchasing a recast? The detail on her gun is amazing and looks better than the GW ones that come with the Tau troops. They stole the right to complain about re-castes when they demand unreasonable prices, and thus stealing the joy of the hobby. I would say though that what you talk about is a different topic to what we are discussing in this post. They had major financial crisis, had to take crazy decisions Gone! From the beginning thought of a new model in their head to putting it on paper, and into real life. Recasts: 3 reasons why we need to avoid illegal or unauthorized Death Korps of Krieg At Ease (2011) by Volomir, Amazing D&D Fantasy diorama tabletop terrain. The figure in the picture (Nash) Sold 32 uni. There are few 100% reliable ways to identify a recast, you can only do it on balance of evidence, like an eBay seller shifting dozens of the same unusual casting, and general things that seem suspect. and everything else. there was articular about how GW buys there cast from Chinese companys and they over order and then decide not to pay for amount they decide they no longer need. Prisons are filled with thieves. The price of the cinema these days is ridiculous. There was a study by the EU relating to video games that piracy helped games sell better. If you happen to know of any second hand recast seller, or on-line store selling these fake products, we encourage you to contact the corresponding company affected so they can take proper measures against it. Explore Scope and Practice. Do they source their injection molds from Australian materials and Mexican labor? Warhammer fantasy was half my life and then they did this to me.. fuck them. Now, companies like Games Workshop are a ethical grey-area for myself, because their business practices/efforts are not in consideration of the gamer (in my opinion). Right now, a few companies simply stopped selling to Russia as their figures instantly get listed on pirated stores. Double number of attacks made if target is within half range. You have not idea about, a totally ignorant. The manufacturer isnt benefiting from this situation either. Unfortunately, the quality of their products leaves much to be desired. I wonder If anybody writing that ever have ever hold Forge World model. (and yes I know, I'm a pleb for useing a recast site but I'm poor so leave me be), Scan this QR code to download the app now, https://legionforge.com/the-horus-heresy.html. If a unit attacks with multiple weapons, all attacks made with weapons that have the same profile must be resolved before resolving attacks with the next. Greg Smith, omg, really ? For legit business there is high quality resin, concept art, sculpting fees, box art, advertising and labour, please dont minimise this with a flipant statement. Appealing to modelers if futile in my opinion, there is not enough power in that argument to change buying habits. I dont agree with that it is stealing, its models I would never buy anyway. Please add us to your favorite seller list. Greedy company? If you would like to change your settings or withdraw consent at any time, the link to do so is in our privacy policy accessible from our home page.. Someone mentioned looked at Rackham games as if recasts are why they went out of business. This also amounts to stealing somebody elses work. 378, Dungeons & Monsters 3D STLs Miniatures for Cheap on Humble Bundle, Strength 20 & Higher: Wild New 10th Edition 40k Weapon Rules, A 4-Way Tie: Dice Golbins RTT Top 3 40k Army Lists. The China Warhammer recaster known as CDR recently announced that they are: shutting down business for good and that a handful of people are buying all their master molds. Its even happened with the newer hobbit resin models that are supposedly of better quality (its nowhere near forgeworld quality). A new players guide, contributors welcome, DS:70+S+G++MB+IPw40k86/f+D++A++/cWD64R+T(T)DM+. They are very complicated to clean, and with a lot of burrs. Hell, 5 years ago they were barely with 10 dollars a share. But imo GW are flogging its customers for all its worth while things are good. At a glance, recasts appear quite similar, but when looked at closely, important flaws become evident. However, I bring up a different point the recasters, who are using what amounts to slave labor in the sweatshops working with toxic resins? The Battle Honours programme kickstarts their journey into the worlds of Warhammer. Password In the case of this piece, originally from Forgeworld, I had a small problem with the recasters. Game workshops prophit have been that big that instead of making their models cheaper for their customers they gave their staff a 2 thousand pounds bonus ( tax purposes) so boo hoo if the greedy fuckers are losing in the grand scale of things pocket change. Many RPG fans turn a blind eye to PDFs from defunct publishers, but studiously pay for legitimate PDFs from current publishers seeing the former as preserving the history of the hobby. As in Id pay the IP holder for this if a legit copy was available, but since the company is gone/author is dead/etc. When you create a community of over 200 players/painters from occident and another 300 mainlanders, manage to make an order form for let say greenstuff world for those 500 lads to get legit stuff, and you are being told : you guys are thief so no we wont deliver in China because we do not want to get copied While saying that to a European. I love the crocodile tears about the indie companies. Really you are the idiots here supporting such a corporation. The current situation especially benefits those people who kept their stuff in boxes rather than paint/assemble/game with them, essentially those who buy the product but dont take part in the hobby. For a better comparison, I have cleaned all the copies of excess resin and plastic. Whats the actual law being broken when trading for a recast model? The Warhammer World is Just Awesome. Because there truly is no real money in the miniatures business. We and our partners use cookies to Store and/or access information on a device. Most knockoff resin reeks, and on some it can even be detectable after paint has been applied. GW also has a massive network of stores. As you see, this is nightmarish no matter how you look at it. If you would like to change your settings or withdraw consent at any time, the link to do so is in our privacy policy accessible from our home page.. I'm OVER 50 (and so far over everyone's BS, too). If we demand fairer prices and go outside their control, it is because they are not catering to the majority of their customers. then those models end up being resold to people on ebay and those are usally ones you see in bulk packages on ebay with out the boxes and sheets. "Most of their printing is done in China, including books and boxes, and is likely the part of the package that you got that was made in China." That doesn't add up. Another person trying to justify theft plain and simple if you dont like the prices dont play the game there are plenty of other great options out there at the moment. The cost of your model is not only resin, but a sum of the voice, buy from a recaster and you are a thief like the recaster itself. . I have a motto I live by it.regarding others if you lie,you can cheat,cheat you can steal, steal you can.lets just say theres many cases of some folks needing something bad ,dont have the money and try and steal for itthings escalate and then murder becomes involved. You are absolutely right and I agree with you (but I like, and buying, many expensive figures). The surfaces are very rough, have lots of pores and bubbles, there are important burr steps or details covered by extra resin. Place your opponent's suspected recast models under high heat for a couple minutes and see what happens. In addition to this, the flat parts are not flat by any (ANY) means. It didnt take long for GW to take action, and after a while it became nearly impossible to find these copies online. What companies are u using for recasts? Case in point: One miniature, slightly more detailed than a normal marine: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Games-Workshop-Warhammer-40k-Space-Marine-Commander/107298737?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=1239&adid=22222222227000000000&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=42423897272&wl4=pla-51320962143&wl5=1019313&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=113137378&wl11=online&wl12=107298737&wl13=&veh=sem Whos being the thief? And when issues of copyright are at stake, it fascinates me how Nuts planets are ripping off HBO with game of thrones piracy, yet they are the most in vogue celebrated manufacturer. Check out their full message on their Facebook page. Enter your email to get the very latest - news, promotions, hobby tips and more from Games Workshop. So recast companies will push this margin further and further. Colour and appearance of metal varies in genuine figures. Im not into recasting but what I find ridiculous is Games Workshops prices. to produce a 45 dollar marine squad it cost 5 bucks, sure. Well-versed in the art of war female warrior. Assume all my mathhammer comes from here: We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. The arguments here are simple white knighting and emotional, there is no one actually willing to discuss anything or addressing recasting. Cdr works by not draining your bar completely when you use your active ability. Recasting isnt a side effect of greedy companies, I have known some companies unable to meet rent and worse still some have gone out of business.